their empires throughout society. that is really what we need to be talking about. it s not just about being anti-civil rights, it s about beating down marginalized populations throughout the world. are you concerned that donald trump s base doesn t really believe in small l liberal, small d democracy? that s one of the reasons why i remain a never trumper, because i think every healthy democracy is going to need a conservative party, but it needs a conservative party that believes in the fundamental tenets of liberal society, including free speech and all of the civil rights. unfortunately, trump s wing of the party has never subscribed to that. it s a liberal, populist nationalism that has been suspicious of all the concepts that underlie the open society and that have been foundational for the united states at least for the last 50 years, if not