or as die ver sieve or i would say as almost perverted. i mean that is correct seems to be the message to millions of lgbt families by the actions of governor desantis right now. it s heartbreaking to watch because these are families who already struggle to get by day to day in the public square and now have their own government going after them just for existing. but when you hear the framing on the right, this is just about parents rights, just about parents rights, what does that get wrong? what s wrong with that? he think it s insulting to the parents of florida. it says to the parents of florida that we can t talk about lgbtq families without talking about sex. it is this very strange need by governor desantis and the republican party of florida to i would say sexualize lgbtq families in a way that you would never see done to non-lgbtq families. i have so many friends who are lgbtq parents or parents of
church and state so you start to i don t know how that fine line is not blurred or if there is a proper line of demarcation. that s what i m trying to understand. you know, because religious we ve got a lot of pardon me. it s an afterthought. there s so many religious organizations that could say no to a lot of people for a lot of reasons. yeah, that s right. that is a fair concern. and in a city like philadelphia, you re absolutely right, we want to make sure that these lgbt families are protected, that they have access to services. what the supreme court said is there are an array of different groups that help with adoptions, that are not all exclusive with regards to these types of religious values and the court is saying you can tolerate having some institutions that are more limited and i think the court is saying that there s a workable solution here and also the big issue here is also with
are family, by every definition, and we refuse to let anyone, any government official tell us otherwise. you have been married, as you say, for several years now. you have two children. how do you, how do they rationalize this decision or this policy? i can t explain their rationale. we see it as a single out of lgbt families, we see it as discrimination, and it is very unfortunate that we as u.s. citizens, to deal with our state, our own state department, treating us as a nonfamily, and treating us not as a married couple, to say our child was born out of wedlock is just cruel. cruel no doubt about it. you can see andrew s full interview and the couple and their babies on msnbc.com. that is up for me.
and be openly out and gay. you know, it is just in my opinion, it is don t ask, don t tell down 5th avenue. it is a dangerous message to send to the lgbt community, especially our youth. i understand what you are saying. what do you make of the fact that this does actually have the of a supreme courtition? this is, as you said this is legally sanctioned by the court. how does that affect your ability to advocate on the matter of trying to get lgbt families included? well, i think what our approach has been to work with the big companies, whose morals and core values are about inclusive including people, all kinds of people, lgbt people also, and i think that they feel that this is a bad reflection on them and their brand and don t want to be a part of that. that s a different approach as opposed to the supreme court. it is interesting, you find it ironic that actually in
very anti-gay policies on the books. i think it s going to be huge for the economic condition of lgbt families in that region. families who are already in some way accessing social service programs, families that are being discriminated against at work because employment protections are not taking hold in the south as rapidly as we d like to see s even though marriage equality attitudes might be changing. people there can still be fired from their jobs simply because they re gay. having marriage equality is a good barometer. the truth s there s still a lot of work we have to do. as you mentioned earlier, these changes that we re seeing are going to happen through the courts. don t think that the legislatures overnight are going to start passing pro-gay laws. yes, mississippi, hello. as the token southerner at the table here, we have to be very cautious about how public opinion translates into the electorate. we saw here that we saw a doubling of the support for gay marriage, but th