counting on now. they knew this could be coming. kaitlan collins, thanks very much. joining me to discuss, shan wu, defense attorney and former federal prosecutor and ron brownstein, senior editor for the atlantic and cnn political analyst. a lot of cases to go through here. let s go on the mcgahn case. this is key. doj is going to appeal. not clear yet, i believe, whether they re going to ask for a stay, but probable they ll ask for a stay here. what is likely to happen next? that s exactly right. i think it s key whether they ll ask for a stay or not. it makes sense they would ask for the stay. so really what happens next, jim, is it s going to they re going to lose on this argument of absolute immunity. it s been widely expected as kaitlan was reporting. in myers case, the judge rejected this blanket assertion. it s going to end up with mcgahn in a witness chair but then it s still going to go question by question. he may try a little bit more, or