by certain religious groups in this country. it s a cult. there is a part of the republican organization that is a cult. so i m not surprised to believe in this. but that s not everybody else in the party. those people concerned with their taxes, inflation, whether their kids can get in school. they are not going to find any of this appeal. which is why people like desantis who care about wokeness, or people like trump to try and say everybody is a conspiracy theorist coming to get me. they lose steam. you have each person in america s way about health, care gases, and drones talking real issues, trump s trying to talk about who s going to put me in jail this week, he will not win. all right, jason johnson, mark mckinnon, nice to see you both. thank you for being here. when we come back, a high
i am stephanie ruhle. we begin this evening in washington, d. c. where lawyers for former president donald j trump have responded to special counsel jack smith request for a protective order in the 2020 election case. trump s team countered with a narrower protective order that would allow him to publicly discuss some of the evidence collected by the government ahead of the trial. the special counsel s office came back just hours later urging judge chutkan to forego and additional hearing and sign off on the government s proposed protective order. jack smith s team said donald trump once to try this case in the media rather than in the courtroom. and our friend glenn kushner glenn kirschner said it best last week, judge tanya chutkan, she doesn t play. and we saw that tonight when she wasted no time responding at nine pm on monday night, ordering to see both sides and getting them to agree on a time for a hearing on this protective order, on or before this friday. all this after the
on television. here s that one lawyer john lauro how he responded to a question about mike pence s testimony. he said the president asked him to violate the it s another way of saying he never said, no, that s wrong. a technical violation of the constitution is not a violation of criminal law. that is just plain wrong. and to say that is contrary to decades of precedent legal statutes. let s take a deep breath because for fact sake, we all learn in middle school civics that the constitution is the law of the land. so a violation of the constitution is by definition a violation of the law. lauro also claimed that pence s s testimony would help trump, saying the former president would be acquitted if his vice president is called as witnesses. but do not forget, mike pence is not the only former trump official who could testify. i have no plans to testify or. but, look, we will always comply with the law. where you interviewed by the
potentially including pretrial defenceman, detention for going after the judge, which is exactly what trump has been doing over the last week. what options does judge chutkan have here? stephanie, she has a range of options. and they can build up over time. i do expect that she will put serious restrictions on what he could do with discovery, and what he could say, not in terms of political opinions. i mean, he is of course free to express those. but what he could say that could interfere with the administration of this case. and that s going to put him in peril, the more restrictions that she puts, you know, the greater danger he is in, that she ultimately will have to say, you know, you will be further restricted, you might only be able to see this stuff in particular spaces under very
why trump s lawyers have been so adamant in pushing back against this request for a protective order to try to create, build structurally as much freedom as possible for their client, to be able to talk openly on social media and on the campaign trail about the discovery, about the various potential witnesses, about the prosecutor himself, and even about the judge. i mean, they re trying to create some space for trump