i remember us sitting in the old studio years ago and we were having the same conversation. i would argue i spent a long time combating dealing with counter terrorist operations overseas and i don t want to sound cynical and pessimistic but we are not going to see the end of this in our life times. we do have to realize. it s like something that campaigns and shines and got to get tough and stop being politically correct that s all great. operationally we need to change the laws and make a difference. brian: you are going to lead off the next time we have a panel. sadly we have another panel about this. thanks, guys, appreciate it jillian, have you other breaking news while we were talking about this breaking news. jillian: that s right. we have a lot of the breaking news we are following this morning. oklahoma man shot dead by a neighbor as he tries to drown his 3 month old twins, a boy and a girl in the bathtub. leland foster shot twice in the back as police say he held the babies un