national security classification. so are you engaging in what about-ism when you point to these other cases? no, because the justice department has subpoena, and the trump lawyers had reasonable basis for opposing the documents. some may have been executive privilege, some may have been lawyer-client privilege. the president may have wanted to invoke this production privilege against producing things that would demonstrate that he had them in his possession. there are have been lit gated in court and not seized. that, it seems to me, the basis. i agree with you, there are differences between the non-searches and the monocriminal prosecution of hillary clinton and donald trump. but what about-ism is a perfectly appropriate question to ask in a democracy dedicated to equality. there may be good answers to it, but it s a good question to ask. howard: i wonder if it s a strange position for you, being
gonna learn when he talked about two. and he can confirm, cassidy hutchinson s explosive testimony that we heard now going back to weeks. we are going to learn things which i was discussing, maybe got recommendations from cipollone that he then went against and actually broke the law. we heard so many from cassidy hutchinson that was just mind-blowing and if he is there to confirm that, that is gonna be really meaningful. and i don t make one last point and cipollone, he is not trump s lawyer. he is our lawyer. he is the government lawyer. and there should be a lot more of these officials coming to the general six hearings and testifying so that we and we learn the truth about what happened that day. and that is an important distinction. there was some speculation before his testimony that he may try to say, lawyer client privilege, or certain executive privilege because he is the white house counsel. but after seven and half hours, i don t think that he dubbed a
hear from pat cipollone? he probably will not talk about his direct conversations with president trump. he might claim executive privilege or lawyer-client privilege. what can he tell them that they need to know? well, i think they want to see if he will verify key elements of cassidy hutchinson s very compelling account. remember, she claims pat cipollone told her that they were going to be charged with all kinds of crimes, including fraud and obstruction of justice and so forth, if they allowed president trump to go forward with his plan to visit the capitol on january 6th. presumably after the rally that he held there, which did not happen. but the question is, you know, will he show her account is accurate? it s come under attack by various people since she delivered it a week or so ago. so that s, i think, the primary thing they ll be looking for cipollone. he won t testify, as we
they had court-appointed justices. it was a different makeup of the court. justice clarence thomas disagreed. it s the full truth that the supreme court never ruled the merits, and more and more information is coming out every day out of arizona, georgia, pennsylvania, wisconsin. yeah, there s information coming out. let me ask you like this as well. i understand that you have the right to advocate for your believes and your client. is that s why you re here. when you say alternate electors, that s your view of it. of course, you also understand there are open probes including in georgia that prosecutors mike look at differently. you understand if you were aiding and abetting in fraudulent elections or voter fraud, that not only is that potentially against the law, but you would lose the lawyer client privilege for your client in the trump campaign. first of all, ari, i don t think you re the one who s going to be determining or the audience whether there was any perpetration of
into guiliani, do we know? a special master was appointed new york courts that some of this should be protected by lawyer-client privilege. the special master in the court has gone through almost all of the material i-think there are three outside standing matters now as we reported just the other day where guiliani may be able to hold on so some of this electronic equipment. but the prosecutors seem to have pe enormous amount of material already in her hands. and it s coming to a time when we could see charges, potentially brought in the next couple of months if they feel like they have sufficient evidence to charge him on violations of what s known as the foreign agencies registration act. there could be other charges as well potentially. and guiliani associate was recently convicted on campaign