he appreciate when is he gets to the point where he wants to talk to pence in front of the grand jury, these sort of objections would be interposed and so he s letting that litigation process play itself out beginning now. congressman swalwell, as a lawmaker yourself, someone protect by the speech or debate clause, what do you make of this defense by mike pence? do you think it will hold up? i look at mike pence refusing to cooperate not as a lawmaker, but as a former prosecutor. i know it s easy to get mired in the executive privilege claim or the speech and debate clause, but how about the do the right thing clause or your country is asking for your help and you raise your hand and say i want to help them. that s what this is about. dozens of cases before juries with the benefit of witnesses who could jam me up for weeks and months on ridiculous legal claims, but most americans when
conspiracy theories and go after somebody who received the bronze star and serve in vietnam and awarded the purple heart, appointed by a republican president. you have to stoop low to discredit mueller but they are willing to do it. the effect is they are going to also, the collateral damage will be thefe fekeffect on law enfort and the case is diminished. you see the fox news effect in action because you hear similar comments from television hosts and lawmakers. here is the bigger point and i wonder how you view this as a lawmaker yourself. when we have these two alternative universes of information, these alternative realities, some americans consuming reporting from the new york times and cnn, others consuming rush limbaugh and sean hannity, what is thefect effec
appreciated. it s not about having a glass of wine with the president or socializing with the president. it s about having a few minutes where you have the attention of the most powerful person in the world and you re able to, as a lawmaker yourself, get some of your thoughts across, get a sense of the president and when you talk to republicans, what i was struck by is even a couple of people who are aligned with the tea party of ron johnson and pat tummi thought about see ago president that surprised them. for democrats and speaking to them yesterday they were saying they had not seen the president on the hill coming to this in this sort of setting since 2009 and it matter to them. they wanted the chance to talk about things. it was family so to speak so there were some concontentious momentship when it comes to the bug, i m told he encouraged them to sort of be on the same team and get to patty murray s budget that comes out today and be supportive of that.