guilt and that s the kind of circumstantial evidence from which a judge or jury could conclude that you had the intent to violate the law. the c word is not cooperation or collusion. it s conspiracy. that s the toughest kid on the playground. and if mueller can show that there was an act, an attempt, an agreement to violate the law, commit a lawful act by unlawful means, that is what will get somebody jammed up for conspiracy and that s what i think the security clearance form and this ever changing story, again, my understanding is that it s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. i think carrie s absolutely right. there s a lot more that bob mueller knows that we know at 11:00 on a friday night, brian. speaking of 11:00 on a friday night, two excellent attorneys agreeing to join us for a terrific conversation. carrie, brian, thank you both so very much. another break for us.
somebody, aren t the security forms as far as you need to go now? there is talk about ivanka s security form in the media because you are asked among other things what about all of your spouse s contacts? has she gone back and retroactively changed her answers or were they correct from the get go. you re right. the security form if yous i think could be a ticket to buying a lot of people in this case you know five to do in danbury, interstate 84. what s important is every time a story changes, every time you change your security clearance, that is anybody who ever binge watched law and order goes is consciousness of guilt that s the circumstantial evidence from a judge or jury could conclude that you had the intent to violate the law. look the c word at issue isn t cooperation or collusion. it s conspiracy. if that s the toughest kid on the playground. and if mueller can show there was an act and intent, an agreement to violate the raw, either to commit a lawful act by
your spouse s contacts? has she gone back and retroactively changed her answers or were they correct from the get go. you re right. the security form if yous i think could be a ticket to buying a lot of people in this case you know five to do in danbury, interstate 84. what s important is every time a story changes, every time you change your security clearance, that is anybody who ever binge watched law and order goes is consciousness of guilt that s the circumstantial evidence from a judge or jury could conclude that you had the intent to violate the law. look the c word at issue isn t cooperation or collusion. it s conspiracy. if that s the toughest kid on the playground. and if mueller can show there was an act and intent, an agreement to violate the raw, either to commit a lawful act by lawful moen or unlawful act by lawful means, that is what will get somebody jammed up for conspiracy.
the question i had was, so if this lawyer and this lobbyist let s say they were going around to the trump campaign trying to to say hey listen if you re elected there is this important magnitsky act and adoption program we want you know about it we d love your support doing lob dwring work like any other lobbiest if they ve been doing this did you go to the clinton campaign and talk to them about it? so my colleagues and i margaret went through a number of of clinton sources and we found that no the clinton l clinton campaign was able to definitively they were terp not contacted by the two individuals at the trump tower meeting they did not meet with them they do not know the people they have no connection. so at least with these two there was no effort being made to also try and reach out to the clinton campaign and sway the clinton campaign in some way to come out against in act or to do any sort
but not dwelled on. so tell the good folks in our audience what you found out. the question i had was, so if this lawyer and this lobbyist let s say they were going around to the trump campaign trying to to say hey listen if you re elected there is this important magnitsky act and adoption program we want you know about it we d love your support doing lobbying work like any other lobbiest if they ve been doing this did you go to the clinton campaign and talk to them about it? so my colleagues and i margaret went through a number of of clinton sources and we found that no the clinton campaign was able to definitively they were terp not contacted by the two individuals at the trump tower meeting they did not meet with them they do not know the people they have no connection. so at least with these two there was no effort being made to also try and reach out to the clinton campaign and sway the clinton campaign in some way to come out against in act or to do any sort