against children program. you ve been listening to all of that. what did you think? well, what you heard the neighbors explained there, a stranger abduction. it is very rare in the united states. we only see about 100 of them a year. every parent s worst nightre dia law enforcement standpoint to investigate. you are dealing with a pattern where you have to draw a circle around the victim and see who they came into contact with. enlisted the help of the community to try to bring her home. sandra: how rare is it that the person actually walks out of the situation alive? that is absolutely tremendous. it is a very sad fact pattern, but it is a tremendous win for everybody in the community and for law enforcement when the child walks in alive. we never give up in these cases. of all law enforcement community, case is gone sometimes for years. still looking for that lead,
of what those people have gone through. i don t know how they live day-to-day with that event occurring in their life. from a law enforcement standpoint, this is what we re supposed to do, this is sort of our job. does it haunt you when you can t find the answers? i don t say it haunts me, but it does occupy my space. this type of job, you don t go home at 5:00 and, you know, see you tomorrow. you know, there s many times where i sit up thinking or feeling something about the cases i m involved in. you try not to, but it s really a it s no end. you can t stop it sometimes. sergeant moran spends months and sometimes years on these cases. it is pain staking work. and the odds of solving even a single case are stacked against him. but moran knows that if he is not searching for answers, it is
from law enforcement standpoint. and speaking of alibi, clay said he doesn t believe the time of that 911 call means anything at all. it is so short, you can t tell what it is. but a call to 911, she winds up dead, they kind of go together. so the time of death makes most sense right around that time. just after because she would have been under attack at that point. most sense right often that time, just after, because she would have been under attack at that point. i don t see how with any of the evidence provided and statements by witnesses that anybody can make that assumption that a 911 call after a quarter after 9:00 and her death were exactly related. for more than two hours as he talked to us, clay starbuck remained quite unflappable. i can t see where you re a hard guy to argue with. actually i m an easy guy to argue with because i don t argue. that s the problem. it makes me crazy. makes other people crazy. then i suggest you get
so that s why. on the stand clay starbuck patiently followed his lawyer s lead, no gaffes, no slipups. did you kill chanin starbuck? no, i did not. thank you, no further questions. when it was over clay and his defense team felt so confident they encouraged him to talk with us about the case and some things that did not come out in court. in an exclusive interview, clay starbuck explains why he believes he s about to go free. there s been many statements in this that have not been true from a law enforcement standpoint. the case has been botched, in your view? i would say botched is fair game. there s some smart people who have made elementary mistakes. there s some smart people who have made elementary mistakes. -[ slurping ]
arizona department of corrections data. he went over 30-year period. this was exhaustive and this is what he does, he is a scholar. what he showed is that illegal aliens don t just commit more crimes or more serious crimes by 5% more or 10% more than the lawful resident, but by 250% more. for a long time when i listen to for example, people on television, i am astonished by the fact that we have copious data on this. it appears as if there is a law to have been of entrenched entries that want to make us believe that this is not a serious issue. americans are being slaughtered. americans are suffering property damage for billions of dollars. americans are spending billions of tax dollars to address this problem, both for my law enforcement standpoint and