calls coming from students. so it s unclear what took so long. obviously they have to make a plan. look, obviously, you know, i m not a cop, i m not a law enforcement expert but no easy feat to run into a room with a guy with a high powered rifle waiting to gun you down. i m sure they had to come up with a plan. but 30 minutes, a lot more questions have to be answered and i would anticipate a lot of the questions would come from the parents, especially the parents who lost children in the shooting and likely be haunted by the what-ifs, what if they breached the room, what if they got in there sooner, was my little baby still alive, haunting questions to ask themselves, john. anita: no doubt the questions will be coming. one thing i thought was interesting, in the early days we thought there was a school resource officer that first engaged the spent but made it clear today that did not happen. there was not a school resource
hair salon in dallas. police are not investigating it as a hate crime. potentially look two other shootings targeting asian businesses. after seeing is laid bare like this, what s tractor the after another, you would think that we would not be shocked anymore but what happened yesterday. but we are and although we grieve at the stunning loss of lives we are also angry about what s happened. and for me that means there is still hope for us. but how do we have citizens of this country liberalize under the threat of possible daily violence? to answer the question i m going to ask our law enforcement expert, former and ypg commissioner dermot shea about what the facts say. that is coming up. but first let s get the latest on the ground in buffalo. nbc s emily acadia is there for us. emily, americans are waking up to yet another mass shooting. what are you hearing about the investigation this morning? good morning. you are so right.
but it does change the political atmosphere, the political calculus. look, we get referrals as prosecutors all day every day. jennifer knows this. getting one from the u.s. congress is a big deal. we have to leave the conversation there. elie honig and jennifer rogers, if you re celebrating, merry christmas. if not, enjoy some eggnog perhaps. still ahead, a 14-year-old girl wound up dead, shot in a department store dressing room by police firing at a suspected attacker. we re going to break down what happened with a law enforcement expert when we get back from a quick break. stay with us. works on that too, and lasts 12 hours. 12 hours?! who studies that long? mucinex dm relieves wet and dry coughs.
dhs funding i would be beefing up intelligence units and getting them trained on what the extremist threat looks like right now and how to get out in front of it. we need that. and then we really need a change we talk about what change fbi going to get better this? well, what s changed? where s the law? where s the a.g. guidelines, the doj guidelines that govern how the fbi director conducts major domestic terror operations? there s no change there. it s a change of mindset. something terrible s happened, we re going get better, share with locals now, get in front of threats on social media. that s a mindset change. it s not a legal change or a technique change and until that happens, i remain not very confident that we ve got the tools necessary. claire, you saw you chaired, i think, at one time the homeland security committee and what frank s talking about is something that every law enforcement expert that comes on this program points to.
the ones that were trespassing, you know, things like that. but the ones that i really want to get were the ones who brutalized and beat officers, did terrible, terrible things. those are the ones that we need to get the most because those are the ones that pose the biggest threat. you know, as far as the person who planted the pipe bombs, yeah. i know the fbi is working very, very hard on that as well as other law enforcement agencies. i know they re putting their heads together. i personally, and i m not a law enforcement expert by any means so i want to make that clear, but i kind of feel like this person is involved with some kind of underground organization. either they re keeping extremely tightly lipped and all their people are or they re a lone wolf and they just haven t talked. but they re going to get caught. at some point they re going to get caught. that s my belief. i have faith in that. we hope so, and all americans should hope so, to have justice