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behind them, but their economy has shrunk, their population is shrinking. they are in many ways on the decline. and they are not the threat that china is to us. their economy, half the size of california? it s ridiculous. europe s economy dwarfs that of russia at that point if that is what made it even more laughable when we were having a discussion about nato and whether european countries should pay their fair share. i think if nixon can go to china during the great proletarian cultural revolution, literally dozens and dozens of millions of chinese people were killed by their own government laura: 60 million. and we can talk about geopolitics and real things that need to change in the world because even more lives are at stake if we don t, that is what is going on. when you re talking about the nuclear stockpile, does not just whether roger uses it, it is whether russia sells it and proliferates it. that is the stakes. laura: fascinating panel. thank you, offer a great pers

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