the fire they say was started by the terrorists as part of the operation to retake control of the situation. we don t know how many remaining hostages there are inside. over the past few hours you heard explosions, you have got helicopters flying overhead and gun battles going on. journalists aren t able to get so close to the building so we know what s going on inside. but the kenyan officials say there is an ongoing operation. they sustained injuries. they released most of the hostages. they got control over most of the building it s an ongoing situation and has not been brought to an end yet. bill: how big is this shopping center? it s pretty big. four stories, large car park. it s got lots of stuff inside.