established, leapt alone where they are leading to. i do think the ukrainians have to focus on how do they win this tactically, how do they initially stop the russian attack and then, of course, ultimately, how do they push them back. that needs if to be their focus because anything the russians promise will probably not come to fruition. and if it does, you can bet on it benefiting the russians, not the ukrainians. neil: general, thank you. very good talking to you and thank you for your incredible service to this country as well. general david perkins, u.s. army four-star general at that. i want to go to countries in the region that might be getting worried about what s happening right now including finland which has its sights set on becoming a nato member, and that got an angry response from russia, particularly vladimir putin, their foreign minister, the defense minister weighing in all of them saying it s not a very good idea. that sounds a lot like a russian version of tony so
era, were supported putin s invasion of ukraine. and then meanwhile, our own sanctions have basically driven out those that would create an anti-war movement. so a lot of the professional class from the russian cities have fled the country because they have the money and they re just sitting out the war in western capitals. neil: colonel, while you re here, i did want your reaction as well to this russian, deputy commander, russia s central military district, hinting the kremlin has bigger plans to go way beyond ukraine and maybe what president zelenskyy was saying, when the commander was saying they want to conquer large and wide swaths of neighboring land and potentially threaten nations that lie beyond, even even condemning maldova, that the
not to attack this plant. he s attacking it now. he had demanded that they surrender a few days ago or they would be obliterated, and he said that he wouldn t, as i said, pursue the plant. he is now. this is just as much a civilian target, if you think about it, because so many civilians are in that, but that does seem to be part of his strategy. he doesn t care. maybe that is the focus, going after civilians. what do you think? i think it s been part of the focus all along. so that large steel complex there, it really is you are wan urban jungle. you ve seen pictures of it, you know, thousands of individual rooms and buildings, and this tunnel network underneath it. now, for the ukrainians that actually provides them significant protection against with artillery and you want to call it the dumb bombs being dropped by the aircraft because in reality artillery and those types of bombs are very lethal
zelenskyy s chief of staff who, much like his boss, has been elementing even though the sanctions are la lamenting the sanction ises are forthcoming, there aren t enough of them, a lot of them significantly delayed. i want you to respond to this. the war continues. the ukrainians continue to kill by russians. killed our children, our women, our men, our soldier, our civilian and destroying our cities. it s absolutely understandable that these sanctions which exist if is not enough. neil: what do you think, general? well, i think all along in history tells us sanctions generally do not prevent wars from starting if the leaders are intent on it. what the sanctions are going to do and it is a long-term process they are going to reduce russia s ability to replace things they have lost, reduce russia s ability to get better as compared to the
inter-continental missile and the pentagon canceled a similar missile launch in the united states because they thought it would provoke russia, neil. neil: thank you very much, lucas tomlinson at the white house. earlier this week, we had boris johnson, the british prime minister who was visiting ukraine, if you think about it, that s a week ago, forecast that, you know, he thinks it could be possible this thing drags on. what s going on in ukraine, forget about months, he said until at least the end of next year. the end of next year. after this. meet brett from apartment 2b. he s not letting an overdraft alert get him stressed. he knows he s covered with zero overdraft fees when he overdraws his account by fifty bucks or less. overdraft assist from chase. make more of what s yours. men, you need to get off the couch and get with the program. with golo, i lost 50 pounds. it feels really good to be able to button your jacket and not worry about it blowing up. -(laughs) -go to golo.com