can push a partisan narrative and disparage public health officials and institutions in the process. harris: i thought democrats they could chew gum and walk at the same time. they do their jobs and investigate too, doctor. really important points you just brought up, harris. listen, what happened there by my estimation and by brad wenstrup s estimation is that at the beginning of the pandemic, dr. fauci and maybe dr. collins weren t comfortable with the lab leak hypothesis and they believed the other was true so they suppressed the lab leak because they wanted the public to have a different view on this. that s not fair and that went on throughout the pandemic, by the way, in other areas, too, with masks, vaccines, shutdowns. it is consistent with the policy of i believe this. i think dr. fauci believes this. i believe this so let s not have competing narratives out there that might confuse people. that s not what we want and that s not the public responsibility we need. we needed
approach to investigating the scientific credibility of the two different hypothesis on the table and i think he unfortunately aggressively tried to work the scientific community into a single narrative, which was to support the spillover, and i ve argued if you look at what s happened over the last three and a half years, very little evidence to support the spillover hypothesis, so his approach was very disappointing. unfortunately, these emails don t surprise me. i think that although it is not proper to use your personal email and it s not proper to delete any emails if you are in government service like this, i do think there was a concerted effort to come to a single narrative and to try to discredit people like myself that embraced the lab leak
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well, i don t have all of the intelligence he has. but i do have enormous confidence in him. i think the american public ought to pay attention to his testimony. he knows all the intelligence. and if you listen to him, he didn t say low confidence or moderate confidence. he said he has high confidence that this lab leak this origin came from the lab. and i think we should give a lot of respect to him and his knowledge base when it comes to intelligence. brian: here s what james comer, what he said in asking ratcliffe this question as relates to anthony fauci not coming forward with what he knew. listen. did dr. fauci relay any of these concerns to you? may have come from a lab? did he not. this is so bad it just gets worse every day. these scientists flipped 180 degrees with no new evidence, produced a paper not based on facts, and then may have used that paper to brief the intelligence community and suppressed the lab leak
thing for man kind. yeah. is that it came from nature. i want to look at that. i hope that s what we find. but i do have grave concerns that if it came from a lab and it was created in a lab, which we know the capability exists we were funding this type of research over there. if it came out of the lab and was man made that s a threat to us in so many ways and i worry about nefarious behavior with anything. let s listen to testimony from robert redfield, the former cdc director, who long supported the lab leak hypothesis. this virus was immediately the most infectious not the most, right behind measles, virus we ve ever seen infect man. i said wait a second, this isn t natural. then you go back and look at the literature and find in 2014 this lab published a paper they put the rescepter into ahumanized mice to infect issue.