friends, our allies, a guy like bernie sanders who came out after the seattle disruption with a very strategic and interesting and thickly detailed racial agenda and hired a black woman on top of it? he is upping the ante so to speak. i think l. joy is right. people calling them rude is kind of irrelevant and two, the tactics are working. bernie sanders did not have that plan a few months ago. now he does. martin o malley did not. now he does. jeb bush wasn t talking about race a few months ago. now he is. dreamers brought immigration the goal is not to be nice but to get candidates talking about issues beyond their preferred talking points. we ve seen this not only with the dreamers but gay rights. exactly. bisexual people. give us a sense of this notion of rudeness aside, the efficacy, as perry indicated, of demanding
bernie sanders, we were having an interesting conversation during the break, interesting mr. marcus and straight out of compton. i don t want to say anything else about that. remember all the interests about elizabeth the senator, right? elizabeth warren and all of the warren interest generated and people thinking she s going to take in. bernie sanders has obliterated all of that. and opposite sides of the same coin, bernie sanders and donald trump. l. joy, do you think bernie sanders has absorbed the progressive energy of the democratic party and those even further to the left is now is the emblem of a real possibility? does he have a real possibility of winning within democratic politics? certainly when he began the campaign, people were talking about him just as the candidate
anti-immigrant, at least in terms of undocumented people in the united states of america? it seems to run against every intent of the republican party to broaden its intent and bring more people in. does donald trump do that? it s a big problem. the party definitely has a major problem dealing with that. as l. joy said, though, there is a bizarre kind of consistency with trump. a number of republicans have been trying to sort of have it both ways on immigration. one hand they say we need a border. they also recognize you can t deport 11 million people. trump is basically saying you can do that. the longer he stays in the race, that message kind of spreads and becomes more problematic for whomever is going to be the eventual nominee, assuming it s not going to be donald trump, in
naacp and nbc reporter perry bacon jr. l. joy, let me begin with you. julian bond was a remarkable figure that you knew as part of the naacp that i knew very well in my own circles. one of the interesting things about the passing of julian bond and the black lives matter movement is that people don t recognize, he was part of snicc and dr. king s group, diane nash, james lewis, james bevel and julian bond and many others were for a leaderless movement. they challenged the top-down hierarchy put forth by preacher-led movements like selc. black lives matter had its first real incarnation to some degree and some measure with snicc from the 60s. often times we look back at history and have a very