that s his name. we all know now that s his name. do you understand what s going on here? well, kwie offquite often when you have a non-confirmation they don t want to reveal operational details or give away knowledge that they have obtained order how they obtained it. there s usually some reasonable basis for that. as you say, it s pretty widely known. i m not going to confirm it. but i think it s an operational intelligence reason for not owe fushlly ly fishl if you can t confirm it you don t have to confirm it. we know his name. senator, we have a lot more to discuss. stand by, if you can. more on our top story. the identification of jihadi john. what happened in brooklyn with the terror plot. much more coming up after this.