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we saw what people would do in the capital. you know, and these people came prepared with rope and everything else. prepared with rope to assassinate and hang the vice president, among others. you can hear the concern on the tape, and by the way, it also gives lie and hypocrisy to what mccarthy and others said in public about cancel culture, the concerns about speech, free speech that doesn t involve violence is protected. but here they are privately saying the obvious that if you incite violence, if you bring rope, if you break the law, if you storm the capitol, that s not speech anymore, and they were concerned it was going to get worse. i m joined by former u.s. attorney prosecutor joyce vance and david frum, a veteran of kov politics in a republican white house, special assistant to george w. bush. before we go to the law, i go to

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