replaced by rick perry. thoughts on that? i think rick will be good at anything he does. he has been a good governor, obviously. look, this is as i was telling you earlier, the reporters in the hallway have almost become this is just sort of normal and changes are occurring. and, you know, the president needs someone as secretary of state that he has a lot of faith in. and, again, i thought rex did a very good job. he has a great relationship with mattis, which is very unusual. and the two of them always go in on the same page. and i don t know pompeo very well. but i do hear very good things about him and look forward. he s going to be in the office later this week. i look forward to a good confirmation. laura: the thought is the internationalists, the interventionists in the republican party are kind of on the down slide and the more nationalists populist wing is on the ascendancy because, of course, pompeo is more in line with trump. tillerson is more, i think more in line with
only with russian intelligence perhaps by extension, but now a designated nonstate hostile intelligence agency. it s going to make for some very, very interesting congressional investigations and trials. there. are people in the trump administration, pompeo and tillerson who are trying to go legit, as activists who move from one country to another kind of work. and they are trying to hem the president in. one of the interesting questions, and we ll be studying this in political science for a long time, can you hem in the president? can you remove the president s agency and authority? because there is this group of now pompeo, now tillerson, before that mattis, before that mcmaster who want to encourage the president to golf more and watch more television and let them run the government. in other circumstances, that would look like a rather sinister thing. in this circumstance, it may look like the second best option. david corn go ahead, david. i was just going the say the