out with alarming reports about voting problems and possible election fraud. my next guest lost the governor s race in florida by less than 1 percentage point. i m still barely recovered from it. i recently got a chance to sit down with andrew gillum to talk with him about how he is reflecting on his razor thin loss, whether he thinks voter suppression played a role in his defeat, and what s next for him. take a look. oh, look at this man. good to see you, man. i love this brother right here. oh, i love this man. i got first of all, what an incredible inspiration you ve been, coming out of nowhere to inspire the world, came so close. before we talk about that, donald trump came at you really hard. now mueller s coming at him really hard. do you think the democrats now, given these new revelations, should go hard at him, you know, pelosi and those guys, in
part of the economy. it s a huge part. the idea they re reaching into everyone s life regarding some trivial matter, this is the most important matter in many, many peoples lives, their health care. david katz, thank you so much. my pleasure, thank you. cnn has learned that special counsel robert mueller still wants to speak with president trump, but his lawyers are dead set against it. pamela brown has the details from washington. reporter: special counsel robert mueller s team continues to be interested in interviewing the president, two sources familiar with the matter tell me. now mueller stance on interviewing the president has been constant for a year and a half. we re told nothing has changed in that sense from the first day the sources said. the president and his lawyers are still very much opposed to any potential interview. in the weeks since the president responded to written questions, mostly regarding collusion and the time period before the inauguration, these sou
know, mueller has, is going to tell us everything about what you know, the importance of this of these lies. because you have to wonder, why was he lying about these contacts? you know, shimon, president trump s personal lawyer for a decade-plus, michael cohen, was also in touch with russian officials on a deal to build that trump tower in moscow, which never got off the ground. now mueller is zeroing in on that deal, though, as part of his russia investigation. tell us why. yeah, so first of all, i think it s what s important to note here is that many people have been lying all around this investigation. and one of the things that michael cohen lied about was this project to congressional investigators. mueller had known that and when cohen came before mueller, he admitted that he essentially lied about it. and it was to protect the president. this was going to be a pretty lucrative deal, a lot of people were going to make a lot of money off of this. this was going to be a big
the white house. but how big is mueller s picture right now? do you expect the list to stop there or to grow? it is quite possible that it is going to grow, wolf. there is a number of references in these court documents we ve seen. there is unnamed people that are associated with the campaign who have not yet been identified. and so by the time this is all said and done, i fully expect we might see a longer list than that list we ve been showing on the screen there, which has 16 people, which ranges, by the way, from paul manafort, the chairman of the campaign and his deputy, rick gates, who were in business with russians for many, many years to, his members of his family. don junior who set up the now infamous june 2016 meeting in trump tower where he was supposed to be getting dirt on hillary clinton. and keep in mind, some of these meetings happened, some of them, face-to-face, some of them over text messages, phone, e-mail, and robert mueller has every single thing, every one of
well, puts democrats, particularly nancy pelosi, assuming she s going to be the speaker, in a sort of tight spot, in that there are now, to the southern district of new york, they clearly believe that donald trump actively sought to evade campaign finance laws with these hush money payments to keep his chances at winning as high as possible. that s different than the allegations that we had, whether it was from cohen or whether it was from, you know, anything else we had out there. so it will be tougher for her and nadler to navigate that. pelosi has been on the record saying, look, i don t think we should do impeachment now. the question is, she s holding off until the mueller report comes out, which is the smart thing to do. maybe at that point, it will be definitive one way or another. the dangerous thing is if it feels like it s in some gray area, because i will tell you, the democratic base wants him impeached yesterday. that s such an important point. because it s very differen