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on-the-job training. we do not need to bring in a rookie. the reality is you have a bunch of people following slogans handed over to them by their 400 page super pacs last week. howard: joining us now a columnist and cohost of a podcast getting hammered. also a democratic strategist. what do you say about the billion people in our business. who even had a good night on the debate stage? first of all, so many of them there is a distinction between different types of performances. talking a lot does not mean doing yourself a lot of good. as my children, or myself. [laughter] it is okay to analyze it in different ways. there are eight guys out there. you could land a knockout punch, except for the champ is not in the ring on this one.
a professor of history at nyu, the author of lucid, a remarkable newsletter following threats to democracy as, well as the very relevant book, strongmen, mussolini to the president. also with us. michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee and an msnbc political analyst, the host of the michael steele podcast. good morning, both of you. thank you for being here. michael, let me start with you. charles coleman and i were talking a couple nights ago about the debate. and if donald trump are looking at a schedule for 2024 and saying wow, i ve got an election to, run you know, primary to win, and i ve got all these multiple cases, after wednesday night, he might be thinking to himself, i don t really have to worry too much about the debate situation or the primary situation. he seems to have a lock on that, because nobody came out of that thing looking like they ve got anything that looks or feels like a knockout punch for donald trump. absolutely. the vast major
opportunity for that moment, or a moment like that to play out. especially with a candidate who doesn t have a clear value alignment. who isn t like, this is who i am and this is what i stand for, and you can t knock me off of it. so i do wonder if ron desantis is ready for that kind of line of attack from chris christie or another candidate. alicia, any republican candidates worth their salt on the debate stage is going right at wrong desantis during the debate. because they will not again on donald trump by going after donald trump. chris christie certainly won t. they will gain on donald trump by sticking it out among the crowd and going right at wrong desantis. ron desantis has a failing campaign right now and that is on the ropes. and a knockout punch at this debate could elevate other candidates into the two or three or four slot. he is the person that is most vulnerable, he probably has such confidence and vanities that he doesn t realize that. but he also has a glass jar that
will hurd hit the 40,000 donation individual donor s threshold, though he has not been led on the debate stage because he hasn t signed the pledge. donald trump hasn t signed the pledge either. so we will see how the rnc chooses to handle that. there are there will be contrasts, and i think donald trump will have a hard time resisting returning to try to offer a knockout punch as he sees it. yeah. maybe this is a onetime debate that he can afford to skip. john, let me get you to respond to what cnn is reporting on the fallout, continued fallout from super pac backing desantis sharing debate strategy memos on line that call for desantis to, quote, hammer ramaswamy and defend donald trump. let me read this, one person close to desantis political operation was surprised that a person that never backed down would even write a memo or think it was appropriate to give the campaign advice a week out from the debate. the response this person received from republican donors
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