that communication rather than basically facilities at the white house, cia, and the state department have at their disposal? i m impressed by something i just saw. does kushner have a driver and a car? how does that work? he works in the white house as one of the staffers. does he get a car and a driver? it looks like some sort of suv that takes him to work. do we know about that? i m not aware of that. adam? i m watching it right here in front of me. this is pretty high-level stuff here. it looks like he s some sort of major security official. anyway, small point. let me ask you about the options here. do we know whether it was personal business or government business or political business that he was iolve with, with kislyak andhen of course with goov? we don t know. you know, at that point, you know, he wasn t officially named by you know, to a formal role in the incoming administration. that doesn t happen until january. so, you know, obviously, though,
the russian ador,ehd the scenes, out of touc unmonitored i suppose by the state department, the nsa, anybody. he s trying to hide his communication. i think the important here is trying to understand why the fbi is investigating jared kushner. and so, you know, both the washington post and nbc reported last week before this story that you re referring to broke, that they were investigating kushner for a series of meetings he had in december, including the one in question with ambassador kislyak and the follow-on meeting with the russian banker. and so what we re trying to do here is explain, well, why is the fbi interested in kushner? and you might be able to understand from this intercept that we re describing in that story why the fbi would be curious. why was kushner, according to kislyak s report to moscow, suggesting creating this secure channel in order to have this conversation and proposing even using russian facilities to have
turkish missiles for the miss e missiles that castro d accepted in cuba and actually had a positive role in the end. this was before the guy had any job. he wasn t working for the u.s. government. who was he working for? we don t know what he was meeting about. that s the difference, chris. it s extraordinary that he proposed according to this story, that he wanted to use the russian line of communication. was he going to go to the embassy? the embassy is watched by the fbi? was he going to get in the trunk of a car. how could he be that naive to not know that everything he s doing with a russian is being monitored. whoever leaked this terrific story to the washington post was willing to disclose that the u.s. is monitoring the communications of kislyak back to moscow. but the leaker was so disturbed by this behavior, that they were willing to take the risk. that s what we re seeing over and over again is people in the government, not necessarily trump employees, permanent pe
times reported on another meeting that has drawn the attention of investigators. kushner s 30-minute encounter in mid-december with russian banker sergey gorkov, whose bank has been used by russian intelligence to plant spies here in the u.s. quote, the banker is a close associate of mr. putin, but he has not been known to play a diplomatic role for the russian leader. that has raised questions about why he was meeting with mr. kushner at a crucial moment in the presidential transition. in a statement this week about kushner, president trump said, i have total confidence in him. but nbc reports a source familiar with the thinking inside the white house told nbc news that a few individuals have even suggested to kushner that he should lay low. for more, i m joined by washington post s adam entous who broke friday s story about the kushner back channel. ken dilanian, and susan page. adam, first of all, this story. what s its import? the fact that he wanted to set up a back channel wit
russia, has created an absolutely unacceptable environment in which we as a country are doing business with all the other countries around the world. well, who is this guy, jared kushner? we know he s the son-in-law of the president, but who he is in reality? what s his role in this plan? there he is being taken around in an suv with a driver like he s henry kissinger or somebody. who is this guy? i mean is he now in charge of all middle east deal-making? is he in charge of all international money matters? he seems to have no real title. who is he? well, he is the son-in-law of the president, and that gives you all the credibility you need. the suv driver is really available to all family members, and they all have protection. they all have the ability to move around with those secret service agents. unbelievable. let me ask you about this meeting that we re all finding out about where he wanted to set up a back-channel relationship through kislyak, and he also met