forward. jobs in technology and solar power. there s no harm in it. no harm in moving our jobs and economic model toward a futuristic, more technology based model. eric: you mean away from manufacturing? as kirsten points out, driven by the market. penalizing manufacturing companies. garland: if you are going to argue that the market is going to fix it, if climate change is real, then it s the single greatest failure of the market. how could the market fix something that it created? eboni: you mean because people are still relying heavily on things yesteryear? garland: manufacturing has relied on fossil fuels. if it s real eric: you and i have worked together for eight years. pollution, if you are polluting in china, brazil or any developing nations, we are