and that was something that really seemed to factor into justice kennedy s decision here. i m going to read a part of the opinion. he says the marriage laws at issue here thus harm and humiliate the children of same-sex couples. that was also something we heard from him during the oral arguments. clearly he was concerned about the children of these same-sex couples and their dignity. absolutely. the michigan petitioners who i represent have five kids who were placed with them by the state, very vulnerable children who have loved them and loved them. as those children get older they ask, why aren t you able to marry? and that sense of you re different and deficient and not worthy of marriage is damaging for the whole family, including for the children. you have been part of this fight from the very beginning. i have to ask you, mary, this morning when we found out it was obergefell and that justice kin di was reading the opinion. what was your emotion like at that stage? well,