criminally indicted for a 15-year criminal scheme to defraud in the first degree. that s no small potatoes coming to criminal indictments against a business, an organization. so i think it s instructive but all it tells us is this one member of the trump organization will not be indicted. we have to wait to see what comes next. glen, carol, two free guests i m grateful for and thankful to take time from the holiday, thank you so much. next hour the sentencing phase for three men convicted of killing ahmaud arbery. later, what today is all about. giving thanks. we ll spend time with the native tribe whose ancestors helped the pilgrims 400 years ago. you are watching msnbc.
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prosecutor in florida and the also a criminal defense attorney joins us. good to see all of you. happy thanksgiving. cal, give us a sense what the community feels like this morning? reporter: listen, you used the word relief. that s definitely what they re feeling. a long time coming and the words of ahmaud arbery s father, in the courts, of course, when that first guilty verdict was read, let out an audible scream, escorted out and not before saying, a long time coming. definitely it was. this case likely wouldn t have seen even the inside of a courtroom had it not been for that video that roddie bryan filmed. roddie bryan of course guilty of six of the nine charges. that s the video we saw yesterday as faith leaders and supporters of the family came out to speak. grateful to the jury. convicting on almost all counts. a great deal of mistrust in this community when it comes to
incestuous and tight knit some of these law authorities can be, i don t think what could. a wonderful verdict but american has a collective sigh of relief. the right verdict based on the facts, the evidence and the law. sarah, looking at this trial, also the kyle rittenhouse trial, did the two verdicts tell us something about how the law defines self-defense and under what circumstances it could be a viable defense? yeah. i mean, the laws are almost identical in wisconsin and georgia. it s it s a rather low bar to claim self-defense, because there s no duty to retreat before you go to deadly force, but we saw a big difference here in that, again, both trials had videos. which, to me, is always the best evidence. we didn t have ahmaud arbery to tell the story. so we relied on that video without the video we wouldn t have an arrest let alone a trial and justice. the idea here is that these are
hate crimes charges next year. the verdict sparking tears and hugs and a lot of emotion inside the courtroom where the families of arbery and the mcmichaels were sitting. outside, people who had been waiting months to see if the justice system would deliver finally breathing a sigh of relief. ahmaud s mother wanda cooper-jones this morning with her reaction to the verdict. when i heard the judge read the charges, and immediately after every charge he said the first guilty, i said to myself, we finally got justice for ahmaud. we finally got this. and i was very, very thankful. very excited. i mean, i was just really no words to really explain all of the emotions that i was going through at too time. i want to bring in nbc s cal perry, following this case from brunswick, georgia. katie phang served as a