With the russian story and found zero proof, so now they go for Obstruction Of Justice on the phony story. Nice. Thats trump in tweet. Joining me now are three National Security reporters, charlie savage, adam entous and shane harris. Shane, youve got the story which follows up on what we had last night, that the Special Counsel is looking at the president for Obstruction Of Justice. My question is how do you have to add to that . What you have now is you have the president both trying to convince Director Rogers of the nsa to come out and shoot down these issues of collusion, but also privately still continuing to doubt the very intelligence that the nsa collected that led to the conclusion that russia interfered in the election. Weve seen trump publicly talk about the fact he thinks theyre nothing to russia, but to know that hes now saying this privately and continuing to argue with one of his intelligence chiefs about that, i think really reveals the degree to which this has
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like telling comey, get rid of the flynn investigation, and then give me the loyalty oath, and then going to coats and saying the same thing. get rid of the flynn investigation. and then going to rogers and saying, clear me of any collusion. he keeps taking steps as a result of the investigation that could very well metastasize into an impeachment. that s his problem. this thing has a dynamic to it that he keeps pushing perhaps the crimes into the future the way i see it. it s not just what he s saying privately. it s what he s saying publicly. you just mentioned all the things he s alleged to have said to comey and coats and rogers. as a result of good reporting. as a result of good reporting. or in comey s case, you know, that was a little bit helped along. well, he said it under oath. i believe him. i believe him too. i m just saying he gave the document. that s how it got out. but what i m saying a lot of republicans who are calling me in the last 24 hours, during a strai
words said that it was trump tweeting about the tapes that made him feel an urgency to get this out in the public sphere. so, trump, you know, musing about sacking i like these leaks because there s the same kind of leaks we got from the intelligence community when people like dick cheney and the neocons over at the defense department were taking us into one war after another. it was only when we got truth from the intel community that we began to turn the tables on these people. michael flynn would still be in place if it weren t for, quote, unquote leaks. the roundtable is sticking with us. up next, these three will tell me something i don t know. this is hardball, where the action is. ul. [man] beautiful just like you. [woman] oh, why thank you.
to comey at one point and said, kill the flynn investigation. he s my pal, a good guy, glblah blah, blah. trump also went to coats and same the same thing. he also went to mike rogers, head of the nsa according to rogers former deputy and said kill this talk about this collusion in the campaign. so we have a lot of evidence of the president going out and trying to stop the investigators, trying to chill them, whatever, charm them. maybe that s your term. but why would he be doing all this, and how do you defend it at least as evidence that this guy wasn t going to let an investigation take its course, that he had to keep putting his finger in the eye of somebody to stop it? well, two things there. i would say the first thing is that i think erybody i certainly anybody who supports donald trump and republicans are concerned aboutt they read, and they re concerned of the fact that sometimes it s been hyped. i read for weeks and watched television where the impression was donald trum
it s also more present. it s now. it s happening now. yeah. if there is obstruction. we re seeing pieces of it. i find it almost impossible to tell where this is going frankly. if you asked me three months ago when it was flynn, when it was sessions, they all felt like just self-inflicted wounds. we were calling them out for lies, and the result was either flynn getting fired or recusal. you know, i had no idea whether that was connected to any broader, you know, collaboration, coordination at all. you know, where this goes thanks to you guys, we re getting a lot of dots on the screen, and the dots all show a president who will not let things go their natural course. he has to interfere with this investigation. he has to call people up and say, clear me of this. get this case killed with flynn, blah, blah, blah. he s constantly reaching out to try to find a way to stop what he thinks is a locomotive coming at him. this is the way he s always operated. we know this from hi