of birmingham. this is bbc news. now, it s time for hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i m stephen sackur. south africa is in a long term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts, and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa s richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there s deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it s the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn t perform well or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do much better work. because i don t th
julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there s deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it s the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn t perform well, or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do a much better work. because i don t think that mr ramaphosa has got a coherent plan as to how he ll save south africa. but that s not the way democracy works, mr malema. mr ramaphosa has a mandate given to him by the south african people. and, indeed, if you look at the business community, if we re talking about the economy, it seems business leaders think that removing ramaphosa would actually make south africa s situation worse. no, democracy works like that. that s why our constitution pro
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