russian military personnel. as they try to move into kyiv, as they tried to move into these large cities throughout ukraine. he doesn t see a way that putin gets to be gets to the objectives he wants to seize without kid killing tons and tons of people. it s just the prospect of horror it s immense. i think you bring up a very interesting point, that no matter how flawed a country s, or their government, or their economy. we have some conservative journalists in america saying that ukraine is a corrupt country, zero question there is a lot of corruption in ukraine. people deserve the right to self determination, they get to decide who their government is. even if they have a bad government. i heard i heard you talking earlier on tv with rachel about the fact that there is something on the table now that wasn t on the table 36 hours ago. that is removing russia from the swift system. we re going to talk about that later in the show. you felt that that might be a bridge too far