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a subject at least from the time of southern district of new york identified him as individual one, the person who was involved in violating campaign finance law. so the president seems to be a little off-kilter here, whether it s ken s explanation that he meant to say he wasn t a target but he was the subject or something else, just from a lawyer perspective, that makes no sense. because prosecutors don t talk to defendants. prosecutors talk to defendants or targets or subjects lawyers. that s how our ethical rules are written. it s very tough to envision a scenario where rod rosenstein would have violated those rules and had the conversation directly with trump. this is your great colleagues, maggie and peter baker and the publisher, i believe, as well, inside the oval office. talk a little bit for our viewers about how this interview came to be and your thoughts to some of the many, many
for testimony was not an option. republican chairman richard burr was asked specifically about flynn just yesterday. have you guys been in contact with michael flynn or, you know, representatives of michael flynn? i think it s safe to say that we have had conversations with a lot of people, and you would think less of us if general flynn wasn t in that list. we should note here, of course, that requesting immunity does not mean you ve necessarily done anything wrong. however, flynn himself had this to say on that very topic last year on meet the press. the very last thing that john podesta just said is no individual too big to jail. that should include people like hillary clinton. i mean five people around her have been given immunity, to include her former chief of staff. when you are given immunity, that means you ve probably committed a crime. when you re given immunity, you probably committed a crime. for the latest on the investigation, i m joined by nbc news national
fbi, the house kercommittee, th senate committee. he hasn t had any takers. is there anything to glean from that? when your lawyer says you have a story to tell, that sure seems like he s dangling something before somebody, right? it seems unlikely that the congressional committees would be willing to grant a witness immunity. that really can mess up a criminal investigation. everyone knows that, and we ve seen that in the past. right. so they re just not going to do that. so unfortunately, i guess that means we re not going to hear his story in public for some time. yeah, the story he has to tell will remain a mystery at least in the short term, although something tells me the way this is all going that we will eventually learn it. ken, thank you. i think you re right. thank you, chris. i m joined now by michael isikoff. i mean this seems big and partly because it has always seemed to be that flynn was the most exposed of all of these figures because he d been sloppy, and
ken, this seems like a big development. huge development, chris. there s a lot of possibilities here. you know, we know that mike flynn did not tell the truth about his conversations with russian ambassador sergey kislyak to the vice president. what we don t know is whether he was interviewed by the fbi, and what did he tell the fbi about those conversations. we also don t know what he listed on his form sf-86 that he would have had to fill out to get a security clearance at the white house. and of course, you know, his lawyer filed on his behalf forms explaining that he was actually lobbying for turkish interests during the election campaign and the transition when he hadn t filed those forms as required. so there are a lot of potential openings here that the fbi would be interested in, chris. it seems to me that there are so many different threads in the parallel investigations, but flynn is at the center of all of them.