back now as we cover the reporting from the new york times that the white house counsel don mcgann has cooperated extensively with the special counsel investigation, sharing detailed accounts about the episodes at the heart of the inquiry into whether president trump obstructed justice. the former outside attorney for the president, john dowd, is calling that reporting complete fiction. i want to bring in ken dilanian in, nbc intelligence and national security reporter and glenn kershner. what dowd is saying is complete fiction is the idea mcgann s testimony and cooperation is farmfharmful to . he s not disputing mcgann had
prosecution until the day the president leaves office. there are many pathways to sort of concluding and reporting out what he s found and the one thing i m confident of is, none of it will be impacted by mr. giuliani sort of ever changing demands and concerns. ken, i wanted to ask you about this statement from giuliani. sort of sound like what we typically would hear, the reaction and response sort of par for the course as it relates to this investigation? yeah, absolutely, aaron. rudy giuliani has been singing this song a couple of weeks now. he wants the investigation to end and he wants mueller to file a report and proceed and do it before labor day, before the election. i don t think that s going to happen. it may happen on the obstruction question, but if muellerer decides to take that path, it raises a lot of interesting issues. i mean, right now paul manafort is on trial in virginia, another trial in washington. if he s convicted in both cases,
counsel. i want to read this for the benefit of our viewers, the statement from john dowd to the new york times story on mcgann. it says, former outside attorney for the president, john dowd, called the reporting of the new york times about the extent and scope of don mcgann s cooperation with the office of the special counsel complete fiction. dowd says mcgann was a strong witness for the president. ken, go ahead. yeah, right. in other words, he s saying what mcgann told mueller was favorable and was good for the president. obviously, we don t know exactly what he told mueller, but according to the new york times reporting, he described many of these incidents the times and others have reported about that trump was privately demanding that mcgann help him file mueller and jeff sessions, that mcgann refused to carry out those orders because he thought it was improper and would get the president in trouble. that tends to show a state of mind of a president trying to make t
fox news, and this attack on the first amendment and the free media and on the integrity of the american justice system. and intelligence. and intelligence community. here s where the rubber will meet the road. what we ve seen in the last couple of days. deputy director mccabe at the fbi who is supposed to be testifying next week on tuesday. we ve now had trey gowdy on television suggesting that predicting that he may not be employed by the fbi by tuesday. billy house from bloomberg news reports another member of the house panel says we re expecting mccabe on tuesday, but if he shows up. he may not be there. essentially house republicans were already doing the business of carrying donald trump s waufrt on this situation are starting to hint at the notion that the deputy director of the fbi is going to be fired between now and tuesday and that would be another step in what in the direction steve is talking about. let me bring ken dilanian in, national security and