Exchange for a president ial pardon. Or reprieve of sentence. The documents do not name individuals and do not name trump or any other white house official. The white house declined to comment. The New York Times reported that donald trump and Rudy Giuliani have discussed as recently as last week the possibility of rudy receiving a preemptive pardon before he leaves office. Its not clear who raised the topic. In a statement, giuliani crossclaims t crosscla claims the story is a lie. Lawyers in new york have been scrutinizing giulianis business and finances linked to an attempt to gin up information about the biden family in ukraine. Giuliani denies any wrong doing. For more im joined by congresswoman of california. And former fbi general counsel. And former Senior Member of the Mueller Investigation. Msnbc National Security and justice correspondent. Ill start with yo, what do we know. I have looked through and leafing through this indictment. A lot is blacked out. So we dont have any