and you ll recall in that time president trump was being criticized for what he said in that call. it may be a situation that general kelly didn t just feel as if he needed to defend president trump, he also needed to defend the advice that he had given president trump to try to justify the advice that he had given the president of the united states. look, chris, we have when i was in the white house for president obama, there were a number of occasions where there were american families who had lost their loved ones. a couple of different times where there had been american hostages taken who had been killed by their hostage takers, and at least one incident an american counterterrorism strike. and those families were publicly critical of the u.s. government, of the obama administration, and in some cases of the united states military. but we worked hard in each of those situations to try to help people understand publicly exactly the decisions that the obama administration had ma
on the call himself. so it was a pretty good example, chris. i think where there can be a situation particularly in that briefing room, where emotions are fraught, where the stakes are high, where you might be seized with the zeal and the determination to defend your boss. and that is clearly what general kelly entered that room to do, to go and defend his boss. all reporting indicates he wanted to go throughout. he was not sent out there. that was of his own volition. and the reason for that, chris, may be, when he was retelling the story what president trump said in the phone call, general kelly indicated that president trump actually said exactly what general kelly recommended that he say. right. and you ll recall in that time president trump was being criticized for what he said in that call. it may be a situation that general kelly didn t just feel as if he needed to defend president trump, he also needed to defend the advice that he had
calling these people, for gods sakes. so president trump is an inartful guy. you know, he s not good at this sort of thing. i think he called out of a sense of obligation, tried to do the right thing. it didn t come off the right way. they ought to stay out of it and let the armed forces take care of our people. do you feel that, that the president should avoid these phone calls with all presidents or just this president? all of them. i mean, again, 7,000 killed in action, vietnam 59,000 killed in action, world war ii, 440,000 killed in action. of course we don t need the chief of state to call each individual family. you know, my brother-in-law was killed in action. jack and i, dozens of people who were important to us that were killed in action fighting in one of these wars. my students out of west point in the ongoing war. i think this has turned into a political charade. the cameras, who looked appropriately pie i don t say at
it s a remarkable thing if you hear this man relay his deeply personal and emotional experience, a walk through arlington cemetery in order to digest what he is hearing in the american political discourse. how the left can hear it one way and the right can hear it another. that s two different planets, chris. sandra: i was laughing because you think john kelly doesn t wish there was somebody else who could do his job? as he made it pretty plain in his comments last week, this is not the most fun. this is not the giggle fest for the retired marine general. but i would also say this, kelly didn t say anything to contradict the widow s statement. he didn t say anything that really contradicted what wilson said. what he said was stop it, stop it. this is the life of a service member who laid it down for his country and there are three others and they are all of these families so stop it. and they won t stop. it keeps going. i said this and i said that.
ballgame is over and the los angeles dodgers have won the pennant. bill: the dodgers he said head to the world series. first time in 29 years. wow, didn t know that. routing the defending champions chicago cubs in game five last night. 11-1 at wrigley. sandra s hometown. sandra: indeed. bill: the reason why, center fielder hernandez, three home runs. he drove in seven runs. that s a playoff record. so the dodgers host game one of the world series tuesday night. they re waiting their opponent because the yankees and the astros are still going at it. they ll play the prime time tonight game six in texas. i m sorry. sandra: it was a rough night for cubs fans. we are still basking in the world championship glory. we will still enjoy that. bill: the curse was broken. you still have that. sandra: is the billy goat