indicate that it was stated motive that he had. i want to talk about nor report that focuses on the tensions between president trump and his chief of staff john kelly. they point out that mr. kelly cannot stop mr. trump from binge watching fox news, which aides are describes as the president s primary source of information gathering. what more are your colleagues learning about this relationship? it s one where general kelly has decided while he s not going to try to control the president, he s going to try to control the information he receives and the people that talk to the president. and president trump while understanding that in the early days and understanding he wanted a clear line of order of how the president was to speak to people, president trump longs for the days when people can walk into the oval office and share the latest gossip or share
you frame general kelly as the secretary trump is always right. it doesn t mesh with what we ve been hearing recently. oh, i think it does. i think general kelly is a very loyal man who has tried really, really hard to make this thing work. what people are reporting now is a conflict between kelly believing that certain things have to be done to make this white house work and trump not doing it. this is where the problem occurs. kelly actually agrees with trump or appears to agree, certainly from his work at homeland security. he appears to agree with the president on many issues. it s a stylistic disagreement but this is the complexity with trump. he puts people into positions who are sympathetic with him on many of the issues and then he expects them to become, as you suggested a little earlier, more
loyalist, sometimes unthinking loyalists than good public servants. but i do think, i will point out, if you look at kelly s history, he has stood by this president in ways that really are loyal to a fault. he s taken responsibility for things that he wasn t guilty of and yet he took it on himself. so he is a loyalist. in my last discussion, you heard josh barro bring up this daily beast article in which general kelly is trying to push out only omarosa. does getting rid of her solve the problem? it doesn t solve the problem. he turns to the people who make
feels that way, that he didn t know exactly what he was taking on, but how could he not? we all did. this suggests that he is not changing. that general kelly cannot get the pivot that we re looking for. we re never missing strategy, and he will have to decide how far to go with this project. the back and forth for this senate majority leader, who wins? i will quote lindsey graham for you. mcconnell will win and here is why. president s come and go, senators die in office. president trump can think he is in charge, but he is not. david jolly, thank you for being us, my friend. we ll be right back.
closures. kelly was behind the infamous e-mail, time for some traffic problems in new jersey. today bridget kelly s attorney argued for her fifth amendment protection against self-incrimination. he said kelly cannot be forced to turn over subpoenaed documents which include personal e-mails and calendars because the information would provide testimony which could be used against her. since the time this subpoena was issued, we have received even more e-mails for which mr. kelly or mr. stepien are on and text messages. so it s not an inference. it s a knowledge at this point that they are on a considerable number of communications related to these issues. the lawyer for former christie campaign manager, bill stepien, was also in court. stepien did not appear today. stepien was set to be the state gop chair before the scandal broke. the argument by both parties is that complying with the subpoenas carries the risk of self-incrimination.