should support the ukrainians with everything we ve got. it s not more important to us than ukraine, though. is that the difference between a proxy war and not a proxy war? ukraine is important. it s more important to them, by the way, than it is for russia. let s be clear. but also for us, this is democracy and autocracy. good to see you, sir. i can t believe that s our last story of today. thank you all for being with us this hour. msnbc s coverage will continue with katie tur after the break. e with katie tur after the break we eat healthy. we exercise. i noticed i wasn t as sharp as i used to be. my wife introduced me to prevagen and so i said yeah, i ll try it out. i noticed that i felt sharper, i felt like i was able to respond to things quicker. and i thought, yeah, it works for me.
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something very provocative like the invasion of ukraine, they ll work with or they ll help out the united states or other western powers as sort of a signal to say, look, remember, we can actually help you in some places so remember that when you re responding to what we re about to do in a kinetic way. it s a really fascinating dichotomy, katie. thank you all as well. with me now is former supreme ally commander at nato, admiral james defreitis. he is our chief diplomacy analyst. admiral, thanks so much for joining us. i want to ask you about what some lawmakers are demanding of the white house right now, which is they want the sanctions that could be levied against russia to be levied right now. an tow any blinken, the secretary of state, says, no, he s worried that that would be
preparation generally speaking about nato, u.s. is behind this, is instigating this crisis, is doing provocative actions so really pay close attention to those types of statements moving forward. that said, i think at this point, katie, in this game so to speak, nothing we re hearing from the kremlin matters too much. they ve made it clear they re waiting to make their next move after they get this formal written response from the united states. i think the situation will be much clearer or easier to read into the rhetoric following that. matt, i ve been watching you all day, matt bradley, in the ukraine. you ve been talking about this interesting dichotomy. on the one happened there is all of this tension rising, fears of an imminent invasion but there in kiev where americans have told diplomats families to leave, you say kiev seems normal? yeah, it does. we heard directly from the government about that development with the u.s.
program. now we found out according to some reporting by our colleagues, we found out that russia actually presented an interim agreement to iran that would offer limited sanctions relief in return to tehran reimposing some restrictions on their nuclear program. well, iran denied it. they turned down the deal, but what s fascinating again here, katie, is that we have these two opposing sides that are actually working, you know, next to one another to avoid this potential crisis. i should point out a number of former officials we spoke with said this follows a pattern for russia, particularly for vladimir putin. they pointed back to the boston marathon bomb in 2013, after that occurred, russia worked very closely and helped out specifically fsb, worked closely with the fbi to help them track down the marathon bombers. that was right before russia ip vaded crimea. there is this pattern where russia in advance of doing
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