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others had surgery they did not need, including some who found out years later they did not have cancer. with me now are elizabeth webb, who found out in january that three operations carried out by ian paterson were unnecessary, and kashmir uppal, who is representing some of the victims. good afternoon to you both. thank you so much for talking to us on bbc news. cani can i ask you first, elizabeth, you just found out this year that your surgery was unnecessary. how did you find out? t surgery was unnecessary. how did you find out? ., ., , , find out? i found out because the court case. find out? i found out because the court case, well, find out? i found out because the court case, well, the find out? i found out because the court case, well, the actual- find out? i found out because the l court case, well, the actual people who got together last january about this recontacting people, that they