he s doing are out in the open. sometimes bad conducts can happen out in the open because you think that people don t believe that you re committing a crime out in the open. that s giuliani s argument. but at the same time some things were done quietly like as the reporting has told us the president quietly and secretly asked jim comey for his loyalty. the president quietly and secretly asked jim comey to lay off of michael flynn. so other things like that in combination with the things he s doing publicly, as i said a minute ago, can begin to weave together into a story of obstruction or nefarious conduct. that s a good point. the other big story, the wall street journal reporting that allen weisselberg, the trump organization s cfo, chief financial officer, executive vice president, he s now been subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury in new york in the michael cohen investigation. as you know, he was mentioned in that recording that cohen released about the karen mcdo
haven t talked to him in a long time. then michael cohen, his signals to the public and therefore, too, president trump, his former boss, those have not been so hidden either. he has been willing to tell, you know, things to friends and friends have communicated those things to reporters. sort of trying to show his frustration, trying to show that he had expected some kind of sort of return loyalty from donald trump. at some point t became very, very clear to him that that wasn t going to come. not that that would have necessarily helped him, given all of the legal troubles he is in, but i think that s why we sort of saw the culmination of the recording being released by his legal team earlier this week because they felt like, look, if trump and his legal team are willing to throw michael cohen under the bus, we want to try to set the record straight. as part of that so you have that recording about the karen mcdougal payment, buying essentially the rights away from the national en
sarah sanders from the podium at the white house said president trump knew nothing about the payments to stormy daniels. then word that he not only knew but reimbursed michael cohen. only the legal team is the one that will speak with more authority there. that s why you need to have your outside legal entity that s doing the speaking on that and not asking someone behind the podium to do it. good for the mayor to make sure that those details are tight and detailed how about this, let s take another one here. hope hicks said in november, 2016, we have no knowledge of any of this, speaking about the karen mcdougal payment. we now know that the president discussed potentially an additional payment to mcdougal or reimbursing ami, the parent company of the national enquirer, for its payment to mcdougal in september of 2016. as we know from the cnn.com story that i believe that you re referring to, that there was no
payment to karen mcdougal from trump world correct. so again, what are we talking about because there wasn t payment we re talking about honesty, right? the campaign hold on. victor the campaign says we had no knowledge of any of this. that s not true. yeah, the campaign didn t have any knowledge of any of this. you re trying to say that there was no payment from the trump org her answer wasn t there was no payment, it was we have no knowledge of it. two months prior, one would assume that we includes the candidate himself, right, or is that unfair here? again, i think you re trying to put words in people s mouths. there was no payment to miss mcdougal. so i think it s a moot point. nothing has changed on that front. okay. the audience knows exactly what was said because we ve reported it, and we now know what is truth. let me move to one other thing here about it may be laughable, but those are facts. let s move on no, but victor