about the aliens here as opposed to the aliens in the united states. i don t agree with what karen said. the best way is to have a universal tamper-proof i.d. card. social security cards are tampered big broth,er, isn t it? every other country has it. is there any form of enforcement people favor? what it needs what needs to be the case is an employer has an applicant come before them and the employer takes secure i.d., puts it into a reader and says you can have a job or not. we haven t done that. failing that, i understand why people in arizona say let s do what we can do. do you go along, david, with going after the employers who hire undocumented workers? i think that s absolutely essential. under the clean water act, if you violate that you face a fine up to $25,000 per offense per day. immigration offenses carry fin s s of a few hundred tldollars. is president obama focused on this the way he should be after
turned out on may day. right now many in the hispanic community feel the arizona law and the copy cat bills now being considered in other states is legalized racial profiling. so far no one in arizona has been able to explain what the criteria is for reasonable suspicion. governor jan brewer couldn t even do it when she was asked about it at the bill s signing. now, today the arizona legislature passed changes to the law that would prevent officers from stopping a person unless they suspected illegal activity. however, since being in the country illegally is illegal it s questionable if these changes are meaningful. for more let me bring in karen hu hunter, a journalist and publisher and also david frum, former bush speechwriter and founder of frumforum.com. the changes made today, as you understand them, mr. frum, what
are they, and what impact will they have on this law? the changes today clarify that the police have to have stopped you first for some other reason before they begin to inquire about your immigration status. that if you made an illegal turn, look like a drunk driver, something like that, drunk driving by aliens is a big problem in the state of arizona. second, let me make clear, race and ethnicities cannot be factors in deciding whom to stop. they clarify both those issues and put this law on a good course to be a law enforceable the way new york city enforced gun laws in 1990s. if we stop you for another reason we get to search your car. karen, from what you hear, the amendments made to the arizona law, do you think they ll go far enough? will this ease the tension somewhat? what do you think? absolutely not. we re still talking about the discretion of the police officers. at their discretion. what does a drunk driver look like? are we talking about someone who swerves? i mean,
his comment on air force one? people are focusing on what s going on with the oil spill, the piece you had before this. this is the this may be his hurricane katrina if you want to put it like that. he needs to put more energy on this. this is not just about whether we want immigrants here. this country was built on the backs of immigrant, both legal and illegal and slaves. we re forgetting that, right? we have a history in this country. there s something insidious going on. we re getting people used to getting their rights usurped. karen hunter, david frum. thanks so much. up next, rush has fallen off his rocker again. his conspiracy theory on the oil spill is so slimy you re going to want to take a shower after you hear this one. he oozes right into the zone next.