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ohio talking, right? so, they clearly there is no love lost between these two. this has been a testy campaign throughout. this is the second debate. the first debate was no less contentious. you know, one of the things that i think is important to see here is what they re each doing is trying to paint the other as extreme as possible. tim ryan was just trying to say jd vance equals marjorie taylor greene. that s his approach here as they re both trying to court the vast middle of ohio, which is how you would win an ohio election. and, of course, on the other side, vance does the same and tries to portray ryan as completely left wing extremism from his party. part of what the dynamic you re seeing here, you noted or john noted at the top, this is a state donald trump won twice by eight or nine points. pretty red place. keeps trending red, no doubt about it, a pretty red state. and there is such a spending disadvantage on the airwaves right now. since labor day, jd vance

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