making. a sense of what the military s role was in moving this along. retyred united states army general and msnbc an lift barry plk kaf frid mccaffrey. richard engel made a statement, egypt s been a military state all long, generals in civilian clothes running the thing. the police have done the dirty work of the street but in essence this million man uniformed security establishment, half of it in reserve, is the power, the institution, that works. the generals are part of the elite. they re fairly wealthy, they re fairly high in the social order. we re seeing now, we watched by the way the key guy to watch is general sammy annan, the guy, the chief staff of the egyptian military, not minister of defense, tantawi, the old guy, vice president suleiman, former two-star, intelligence officer
reversible. as they say in the white house, this is extremely fluid. let s see if mubarak does deliver on what has been reported as his departure. going back to the days, standing in raincoats outside of a building saying we have to wait and see. that s what we re stuck with. richard wolffe, thank you for joining us. general mccaffrey and second cohen, you know sometimes political people aren t that sure of themselves look to a rock to hold themselves up for a couple of months or years. i remember when franco got old in spain, looks to the monarchy, resurrected juan carlos, second generati generation heir to the old throne, at least he could lean on something as he died. yeah. is this what we re watching here in lean on the military, mubarak has to lean on something to get out of the country safely, something has to be there between him and the mob. well, one of the keys, chris even a good mob. when this national