so when you look at this argument that maybe financial crimes are not sentenced to the max, that wasn t true there for judge ellis and not true around the country. here s mayor kilpatrick. he was sentenced to 28 years, the max. it was a corruption case. his coconspirator got 21 years a little under the 28-year maximum. unlike paul manafort, mayor k kilpatrick also talked to the court. he said he really, really, really messed up and took responsibility for all his actions. nyu s melissa murray is here. thanks for being here. thanks for having me. let s get into it. because judge ellis is more critical of prosecutors and i want to note that to be accurate. but this was a record-breaking sentence for jefferson in his courtroom. mr. kilpatrick we showed there also didn t live a blameless life. but these were all african-american males.