exploitation that they crave. it is very important that american stand united. that does not mean and eyeing our problems. it means confronting them head on for the benefit of all. all of this talk about civil war, secession, blue paradise, red paradise, it is going to hurt every ordinary american citizen. it is only going to benefit the criminal elite. speaking of the criminal elite, ali, we made some really good points. you and i just talked about the legislative branch of this country that is failing. there is also the judicial branch of this country. we are looking at very different justice systems play out for people. i know there s a lot of frustration about what the doj is doing and pursuing when it comes to january 6th. i wonder about people who have committed much lighter crimes. they did not try to overthrow the government. as a look at this justice system play out not in their favor, how incentivized would they be to help save this
has a scintilla of brain power left in their head recognizes this makes no sense. this is grist for the mill for fox news to further gum up the works, to create a whole lot of noise about nothing. at the end of the day like benghazi, after all of the noise and all of their sabre rattling comes to what, right? the reality of it is that we can persist in this game or we can call it crazy, let the judicial system, the justice system play itself out in which they put a stamp on it and go nothing here and let s move on. i think what they re trying to preempt is that end, joe. they don t want that end because they know what happens after that? nothing. yeah, you know, in benghazi, of course, willie, they politicized the death of four americans. yes. and with benghazi there was the death of four americans. here you are going to have an
the girls, now grown women, who stepped out of the shadows and into the courtroom. their courage and willingness to face their abuser made this case and today s result possible. again, jeffrey epstein allegedly died by suicide in his jail cell before he could face trial. what does this mean for the victims to actually see the justice system play out fully for them? poppy, this is huge for the victims. you know, i prosecuted a lot of child abuse cases, and this verdict is going to provide a lot of healing for a lot of victims out there because this jury believed these four victims. so i think it s going to empower a lot of other victims out there men and women who have been abused and trafficked to come forward and reveal the secrets and let go of the shame that they have been carrying for years. elie, the jury did not find maxwell guilty on the second count that was enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts.
investigators and by leadership. and admiral kirby, do you think this is just coincidental or indicative of something larger or much more troubling within the us military? i wouldn t be surprised to see senior military leaders asking themselves some larger broader questions about discipline in the ranks as a result of these and other recent incidents. that s typical for military leaders to do that. they do a lot of introspection in the higher level of the ranks. that said, fred, i would be very surprised if there s any connection between these two incidents in terms of the larger moral ethical issue in the military or that there has to be some sort of systemic change to deal with it. they are just allegations right now. we have to let the justice system play itself out. yes, these are allegations, when you when you talk about top brass potentially coming together, aren t these at least how the allegations are spelled out. isn t it just common sense behavior, and expectation of
president is considering pardons from military individuals. he says these cases should be decided by the court for the entirety of the evidence can be viewed after that should a pardon be considered. what is your take? i am sympathetic to avery young soldier, airmen and marines was been put in a very difficult decision that has had to make life or death calls. i am also sympathetic to the command containing good order and discipline. it is hard to generalize anyone to know particular facts in every case. i think it is appropriate for the president to let the justice system play out in the decide whether mercy is called for fon individual case is given the facts of the circumstances. shannon: the book is called sacred duty. thank you for making time. thank you and thanks for your interests. shannon: the hits keep on coming for michael avenatti.