the way out, but it also raises this prospect that the white house has been through its contacts at the justice department, through its appointees at the justice department th department, that they have been trying to get information or trying to put pressure on what the justice department is doing. do you know that they have done that one way or the other? and do you think it has had an effect on what the justice department or even the special counsel has been able to pursue? i don t know the answer. you know, he will say this, though. this is someone who has refused to follow the advice of ethics lawyers. so, you know, you start out with a great skepticism about whether you re getting the full story from someone like that. this is someone who obviously auditioned for the part by showing his hostility to the investigation. and i think that the judiciary committee needs to demand answer, and if there is credible reason to believe he has not been truthful, they need to do everything n