that. do you wish he didn t do that? i was not involved in that. that was a long time ago. that was a long time ago. jared kushner speaking there with jonathan swan of action owe in an extraordinary interview. and jonathan joins us now. jonathan, good morning. always good to see you. a little backdrop because we were just discussing jared kushner doesn t do a lot of interviews. how did you compel him to sit down? just bribery, willie. just straight bribery. cash deal. under the table stuff. you know? fair enough. oh, you re just going with that. okay. we got a lot in this interview we want to ask you about. were you surprised at his inability to say conceptually that birtherism is racist and just say i wasn t there? not really. because jared kushner defends