general counsel david vigilante. it s been remarkable to learn what you ve been dooling with, how unusual is this from any department of justice? for a news organization, it s incredibly unusual. it s never happened tows before. there s a provision in the criminal law that allows for d-orders. typically they go to phone providers and technological car carriers, e-mails, thing likes that. to send one to a media organization and then the counsel not able to talk to its own journalists is really unprecedented. this was july 17th of 2020, did you immediately know the gravity of this order and what the doj wanted? i understood the gravity of the order, because i was familiar with them from some of our own coverage through the year. truthfully i had no idea what