That it indicated to you that he had been prepped for the call, to expect this issue to come up. What led you to that conclusion . It seemed unlikely that he would be familiar with a Single Company in the context of a call that had that was on the broader bilateral relationship, and it seemed to me that he was either tracking this issue because it was in the press or he was otherwise prepped. Mr. Goldman. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Good morning to both of you. Good morning. On july 25th at approximately 9 00 a. M. You both were sitting in the situation room, probably not too much further away than you are right now, and you were preparing for a longawaited phone call between President Trump and president zelensky. Now, Colonel Vindman, in advance
of this phone call, did you prepare Talking Points as you did for the april 21st call . Yes, i did. What were those Talking Points based upon . They were so this is not in the Public Record and i cant comment to deeply, but what is the areas tha
Base of the Republican Party and to me. So i believe that he was at with very few defections. That may change, but right now i least affected by those and believed those and believed they were think thats a correct negative . Assessment by the white house, believed that they were that theyve got the senate tied negative and was conveying them up in a way that will protect to the president. So was it problematic that he the president from actually being removed from office. Believed they were negative i think the two variables, views . Yes, the whole thing was ned, would, in my guess, drawing problematic. Ambassador taylor testified on my past sort of in republican that on july 2nd, you told politics, would be public ukrainians that they needed to, quote, cooperate on opinion, should you see attacks investigations, end quote. Youre now saying that you dont on colonel vindman inching this recall saying those words; is from 51 support to 53, 54, 55. That correct . I dont believe i said th
why did you do that? so at this point i had already been tracking this initially what i would describe as alternative, false narrative and i was certainly aware of the fact that it was starting to reverb rate and gain traction. the fact that in the july 10th call ended up being pronounced by a public official, ambassador sondland had me alerted to this and i was subsequent to that report i was invited to follow up with any other concerns to mr. eisenberg. we ll discuss that july 10th meeting in a moment. but when you say alternative false narratives are you referring to the two investigations that president trump referenced in the call? yes. now at some point did you also discuss how the written
you testified a little bit about you have served our country the june 28th conference call that you had with ambassador well. and here s the saddest, one of sondland, ambassador taylor, i m the saddest things about all this what the democrats are putting us through, you two guys not sure if deputy secretary kent was on the line. who are here telling it i don t believe so. straight, you both decided and secretary perry before you re going to step out of you looped in president government because of what these guys are doing. zelensky. am i right about the and that s the sad thing. participants of that, or was people like ambassador volker and tim morrison who have served secretary perry not on it? i m pretty sure that deputy our country so well are now stepping out of government assistant secretary kent was not on it. because of what these guys are i don t remember whether secretary perry was on it. and i don t remember whether i doing. we appreciate we appreciate stayed on for
it than yours? zelensky and senior u.s. i have no reason to doubt their notes, if there were notes officials, right? starts with the call with president trump and president taken contemporaneously at the zelensky. next day you meet with president meeting. another witness testified before us, laura cooper, about a zelensky in ukraine and then we meeting that she had with you on have ambassador bolton meeting then we have vice july on august 20th. do you recall having that president pence meeting with meeting with her? him. then we have u.s. senators because you didn t mention it in your deposition. jaunlsen and murphy meeting with yes, i did. him. i did mention that i had been and guess what? in none of those meetings not a making the rounds to weigh in on single one did security lifting the hold on security assistance dollars in exchange assistance to do that with all for an investigation, not once of the interagency players. did they come up? did that conversation come up,