also with us, julian tett, author of an throw-vision, a new way to see in business and life. welcome to both of you. jillian, watching vladimir putin, he is a master of stage craft. everything about him, the body language he gives off as he sort of sits like this, the laugh, the entire evasion of the answer, but he went on after that to talk about how this macho thing about killer is big in the united states, not here in russia. what is the message how is this going to go? when biden meets putin. trump loved that sort of thing. i find vladimir putin just fascinating because, in fact, i did my original academic research before i became a journalist in the soviet union. i was in the soviet academic system for a while and, you know, putin has come from that kgb background where you take the ability to play with information, play with the media, play with propaganda in
increasingly competent that he can run the white house like the trump organization with an acting chief of staff. i want to ask you about the intractability of this white house. the officials line is he s going to keep this omb title, but the bulk of his work will be focused o chief of staff duties. i think the opposite might be true, in light of what julian is saying. how much influence and power is he going to have, do you think? i don t think he s going to have much. he already has led the way to blowing up the budget. there s a sense i just heard someone earlier describe him as having impeccable conservative issues. and you wonder how that square that with the exploding deficits. look, i m twrieg to figure on out why he took the job, right? it s the dumbest decision i can imagine anyone in washington, d.c. taking right now. so i suspect he s going to be cornered. donald trump will not listen the to him and he purposely put
julian, let me start with you. tell us a bit about mick mulvaney and his aptitude for this job. he s been doing double duty at omc and the cfpd. i have a very big alphabet soup is here for us. here is the thing. he s one of the survivors around donald trump. there aren t many of them. he has managed to stay out of the headlines. he s managed to quietly get on with his job. he s kind enough to make sure he s only acting so he can quickly vanish without any great drama. but you have to realize at the end of the day, i don t think donald trump wants the chief of staff. you know, he he ran the trump organization basically like a tudor royal court with princelings around him all trying to kill each other. he was in charge and he basically kept the reigns. he doesn t want a chief of staff. he tried to pretend he was going to do the washington thing and knuckle down. but these days, he s
you ll never guess who cease a silver lining in all of this. here is former ambassador michael mcfall. the chaos has president trump has caused to the western democratic world not only within our own country, but within the alliance, within the eu, that is exactly what vladimir putin wants. julian, let me turn to you here first as you watch all of this happening. how much do you tie them together? i think they are completely tied together. what you re seeing really is two things happening. firstly, a growing recognition that the post world war ii era, the frameworks are crumbling. they re just not fit for purpose right now in a world where china is increasingly rising and where america s made it clear that they don t want to play that leadership role any wore. secondly, what you re seeing is an explosion of populism. since 2010, the proportion of
candidate trump appeals with receivable of bill clinton s accuser 90 minutes before a presidential debate and the following week, michael cohen forms a shell company in delaware. that is the concern from which stormy daniels will be paid. on october 26th, the first republic bank informs cohen of a deposit. that comes from the trump organization e-mail. and the next day, michael cohen wires $130,000 to an attorney for stormy daniels. he directed me to make the payments. he directed me to become involved in these matters. i never directed him to do anything wrong. whatever he did, he did on his own. that sets the table for us. eddie joins me now, as well as julian tett, bill collins and mya wiley.