German was either theyre going to be independent or theyre going to be flunkies for power interests in their own country and the journalist cant really do both well with him by the Chinese Government to respond to that allegation from you norman but if one Lasting Legacy of people like you saying grady is you think another one is the back of the cia took such an interest in him and there is a material his work and himself no doubt cia always attentive to authentic journalism that runs counter to its own dominant narrative but always had a very adversarial relationship to the cia after all he exposed its deadly machinations in Central America during the Reagan Administration and always understood the difference between journalistic intelligence and government intelligence and that has to say the least interest from the cia and certainly the opposite of admiration no. Thank you after the break a physicist and founder of the festival israelian tells us why collective economic punishment.