Dangerous is china and we. Were thanks so very much for joining us here on to the point where my studio guests are political scientist judy Kirsten Tucker low who believes that china will do away with liberal democracy if the west allow it was to also with us is journalist felix lee who argues that europe must be hard and firm its dealings with the chinese leadership just like the chinese themselves and a warm welcome to to examine the girl who say as long as there are a concentration camps in china there can never be normal relations with that country. Thank you all 3 for those initial comments felix id like to begin with you it is not be. In a good week for already troubled relations between the e. U. And china one Senior Member of the European Parliament a green member of the Parliament Said those relations are now as bad as it any time in recent decades do you agree. Well the summit didnt show this because i mean it was a very short summit it was only virtual it between the europea