the former fbi assistant director for counter intelligence, and former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney, charles coleman. frank, can we go to you first? the judges order, and these warnings, they re not scaring donald trump. he is pushing further and further, attacking her, attacking jack smith. it seems like he s double dog daring her to slap a gag order on him. what do you think? yes. i think it benefits him. he very watch wants to play the victim here, and there is some polling that suggests that maybe it does help him with the numbers. look, he has not yet sat down in front of judge chutkan and her be admonishment that you will only talk about ex, you will not talk about why, we are going to preserve the evidence that you are going to receive in discovery. listen, this is all about literally potential physical harm to witnesses. to prosecutors, to jurors, in that discovery, he gets
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necessarily defeating you. i do you think there is a pretty big risk that donald trump can message to the point of making this, conflating this with all of the other previous classified documents that really pale in magnitude toward donald trump. another way to look at this, robert. there is a senate democratic aide telling nbc news that democrats are committing a grievous political error, allowing trump to frame the indictment on his terms. do you agree with that, i guess the bigger question is, how would trump be reigned in any way? look, barring a judges order, don trump is going to say whatever donald trump wants to say. i think we have a six years of evidence that just because don trump says it, doesn t mean that the majority of the american people believe it. in reality, probably quite the opposite. i think this white house has to be enormously careful as they