says it just right. it s unacceptable. trump can t be permitted to use the presidency as a shield to hide behind. hold him accountable by the way does not mean convicting him. it means giving hi hnow it mea upon this judge t ext stsomething that s not ful reason amount time. thankh of you we alwapprecte you ysis and expertise joyce eber lisa rubin, e had comingp, donp lawyers had ourt to delay the cled documents case against him we were just mentioning. that was the judge sympathetic to their argument? we will find out but first, congressman dan goldman joins me on whethe another trump indictment, what it means for the ex president. coming up next
hearing today before a judge cannon. whether trump should be treated like any other defendant in a federal prosecution or whether certain allowances should be made because, not only is he a former president, but he s a candidate for office running against the incumbent president. todd blanche said today being prosecuted by that administration. and that drew a s sharp rebuke from the special counsel s office. he s quick to say, none of us are political appointees. we are all here just to do our job and enforce the rule of law. i think judge cannon and whoever this case is assigned to will try to take into account the fact that president trump has first amendment rights and that he is a political actor with political speech rights. but you don t just get to say, i m busy, i have other things going on. every defendant, or most defendants have other employment, other obligations. that is not an excuse for postponing a trial for infinity. joyce, you heard john brennan say it, when jamie r
want him speaking to a grand jury. they don t want him speaking to a civil jury. we know that from the e. jean carroll case. this lawyer is going to keep him as far away from this grand jury and potentially any other jury as far as they can. joyce, let s talk about the expected reaction from donald trump. it s always the same, the weaponization of the government coming after him. he had a dark, grim speech this weekend in florida about this whole thing. but he s got a lot of allies in congress who are echoing the same thing. what role does any of that play in the legal process going forward? and does jacks mitt and do jack smith people listen to or care about the sentiment that trump and his ilk are expressing?
that is still not an indictment. and that is not a trial. it s not done. this is early steps. what do you expect to happen next? i expect his lawyers are going to seek a meeting with the special counsel s office and or senior officials at the department of justice. if they have not already. there s been no public reporting of that reporting. the last time around, we went through a federal indictment trump target letter and his lawyer sat down with jack smith and team, it wasn t until about two weeks later, plus, that we saw the indictment and the record s case. joyce, how big a deal is the target letter? because you get it once they are well into the investigation against you and you are invited as lisa said, there will probably be a meeting, at which what happens? are you supposed to say you guys got this all, wrong you are not supposed to go after me, you got the wrong guy? what is between now and the next thing. in a complicated case with