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obviously hateful and hurtful. they are not reflective of her. she has apologized publicly and privately and she s grown and evolved. i think we have to recognize that people do change, they should be given the space to evolve. and that s what she s saying, she s evolved and grown over the years and msnbc is supporting her over that. a little different over the roseanne barr case, racist posts five years ago, another racist post this week. no indication of change or evolution. to be fair, joy has said she s changed and evolved her reviews, but it s the credibility issue about claiming you were hacked and maybe not claiming you were hacked and then you had an expert say the fbi is investigating, maybe that s not true. that s really i think the issue here. it s up to her viewers to decide if she s credible on that or not. jeremy, last question to you,

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